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Fusilli Zaitsev

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  • Hi Fusilli Zaitsev, on June 8, 2020 , Tenbeat unilaterally removed most useful information about samurai history from the Samurai page. His argument is "removed copy pasted, irrelevant info from Wikipedia; this is not a place to learn about real world Samurai, it is specific to the game." ​​ Again, I disagree with Tenbeat, because this was not all copy pasted, but carefully summarized from multiple sources. Secondly, it is very relevant and useful information, because it describes one of the main themes of Ghost of Tsushima which is the samurai. As a summary it doesn't delve too deeply into the topics. If people want to learn more then they can look up information in the sources. 

    It is very disappointing that Tenbeat continues to delete so much relevant, on-topic information from this wiki, just like what happened to the Mongol Empire page on May 22, 2020

    Since Tenbeat founded this wiki on October 30, 2017, he only made 107 edits as of June 22, 2020, which is relatively little compared to other contributors.

    I'm a regular contributor and powerless to make meaningfull changes. What do you think about restoring the deleted information?

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    • Okay, 2 or 3 paragraphs would be enough to describe relevant historical information. Maybe specifically about samurai and Mongols in the Kamakura Period (1192-1333) in which the first Mongol Invasion occured. I can make a more condensed summary. The title could be 'Historical reference' or 'Historical events' ​and in the bottom a heading 'Further reading' with a few links.

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    • Alright, but note that any of this could change after the game releases, so don't get too attached.

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  • Hi Fusilli Zaitsev, on 00:12, May 22, 2020 Tenbeat deleted much information of the Mongol Empire page. We discussed it and I agree that information about the Second Mongol Invasion is out of scope. However, the summarized information about the first Mongol Invasion of Japan (and Tsushima) is important to include. Because the story and setting of Ghost of Tsushima is fundamentally based on the first Mongol Invasion. It helps people to better understand the historical context. What do you think?

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    • I think including a summary of the story background (in this case, historical events) is helpful and pertinent to the wiki's subject matter.

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    • It's a fictional story, with fictional characters, including fictional people in high up Mongol army positions. I don't think that adding real world information that has not yet been confirmed for relevance by the game, or the developers outside of the game, should be added because any or even all of it could be completely fictionalized and false within the game's fictional narrative. It is based in real world events, yes, but individual parts of the first Mongol Invasion may or may not happen, or be at all relevant to what happens in the game, since as far as real world historical events go Tsushima was just the landing place for the Mongols, and not of much importance beyond the initial defense.

      I would like to point out that even on Wikipedia where real world information is its entire purpose, they have what amounts to a single paragraph that even includes mention of Tsushima within it. Five or more paragraphs (what was written on the article previously) about the entire invasion, leading up to and far beyond what we know to be the setting for the game is so far bloated and out of scope for what we currently know about the game, that I disagree heavily.

      That is not to say I don't think this information could become relevant after the game has released, but until that point, we do not know what is relevant and what isn't except for what has been discussed in interviews and shown in trailers.

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    • Yes, this is a good point. I had assumed that the historical setting had been confirmed somewhere. There seem to be obvious parallels between historical events and the game, but if they are not confirmed, perhaps this information can be given a paragraph or two under an "Inspiration" headline or something similar.

      There are game-specific wikis that might give us some ideas: the Battlefield 1 wiki lists the campaigns or battles that the various multiplayer maps represent; the Nioh Wiki makes no distinction between in-game events and the real life events upon which they are based; and the This War of Mine Wiki makes just one reference to the war that inspired the game.

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    • An inspiration headline with a few paragraphs would be useful. GoT does have a historical basis which is not fictional. We don't know all the details yet. It takes place during the first Mongol Invasion of Tsushima with fictional characters. The scope could be limited to the Mongol Invasion of Tsushima and describe parallels, differences with the game.

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  • Hi Fusilli Zaitsev, this image shows samurai. https://ghostoftsushima.fandom.com/wiki/File:Mongols.png The file name says Mongols. I've updated the image button on the frontpage with Mongol soldiers.

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